No Magic
There is no Magic
There is no magic to eve. You are being directed here because you are looking for a problem that was already solved in a game that came out literally 20 years ago.
You are missing the basic thing here: We want you to succeed.
To anyone attempting to help people: give them guides first. If they continue to not listen, give them this page. They won't read it, but then start screenshotting sections. :D
What do you mean?
The person helping you is trying to tell you how the game works now. And you are ignoring what is being said because you are convinced if you just try harder to play a game the way it was 10 years ago, there's some trick that will solve this game.
That's not the way this game works.
There is a 'meta', and it's well known in this game that you follow the meta or you suffer.
If you ignore the meta, you end up with suboptimal strategies that results in more losses than gains.
The best isk is doing the content you like doing, in the ships that are recommended. If you're being super safe, you might make 10x less money than taking minor risks.
#new-player-questions Bingo
The following sections are some admittedly blunt advice about EVE, please take it in the spirit in which it was written, and know that EVE is unlike almost any other game and has a unique ecosystem. As a 20 year old game, many aspects of it are a solved concept.
Why can't I just spend isk?
By spending isk, you are going to lose more than you make in that time frame. Let's make an example.
You are told about a 40 million isk ship that makes 25 mil an hour. It earns it back in about an hour and a half. In 3 hours, you are positive 35 million isk.
You are convinced that you can just use a more expensive ship to make MORE an hour, so you buy a 450 million isk ship. With your skills, it makes 30 mil an hour. in 3 hours, you are still 375 million in the hole, and have a huge target on your back from the roaming gangs in the area.
It's simple isk per hour. The Beginner Activities clearly lays out the amount of effort and income of the different tasks.
I'll just inject
Well, you could just inject your way out of the problem, correct? Well, most times, your button pushing will lag behind. You are obviously refusing to listen to reason when we say 'start small' or 'start cheaper' or 'this is more economical.
Injecting will just get you lose things faster. We call Eve Pay to Lose for a reason.
But if I do this thing I was told...
You're not that person on youtube.
You don't have the button pushing
You don't have the skill points.
You don't have the fits
You don't own the gear
You don't have the implants
What year is that from
What game is that even compared to 2023 Eve where people rarely use battleships outside of Missions and Incursions. Because Bigger isn't better
The person helping you right now is *REALLY* trying to get you to listen to reason.
But what about-isms...
Yes, the person helping you knows those strategies. They know the end games. Just believe them if they tell you 'I think you want this'. rather than some magical hack that will pay for your account.
We want you to do great out there. There are millions of things to do in pvp and be successful. Being successful in PVE though is cookie cutter as HELL.
I'm sure there's a secret here...
There isn't. You cannot make Omega as an alpha without a lot of success: Making Omega
Pandemic Horde version
Newbeans, With the advent of the free praxis on the horizon for most of us, I want you to consider these things:
If you are planning a large ambitious project that involves spending lots of isk, **please consider** talking to an NBI before starting it. You can feel free to contact myself directly if it's op sec, or any other active NBI. You can also talk about it publicly if you don't mind spies finding out about it. Or just ask in #newbeans if it's idle speculation. There are a lot of mechanics in the game and we can hopefully find cheaper and MUCH more effective methods. And just because something wasn't free doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Praxises might drop to ... 50 mil? in two days, but they will be worth at least 120-250 mil in a few months.
Some examples:
Should I rat in a carrier - No, they got replaced by marauders who make more money for less cost with better protection Bitter Vet has the recent changes.
Should I change from a vexor to anything but an ishtar - No, vexor is best bang for your buck, there's no magic hack here. Null sec ratting In horde, ratting goes Vexor -> Ishtar -> Marauder -> Dread -> Super
Should I drop a structure to save myself on taxes - Did the math on this, 320mil for a tower, 2 bil for the smallest structure, 9 bil for a market. why. :D
Should I solo a CRAB Beacon in a dread without a cyno - You will just die. But sure, knock yourself out. If in horde, Join Pankrab. Dread + Carrier + cyno can make more than Marauders.
Should I rat in a Praxis in MJ-5 - If you want the 1 isk insurance it pays out. Any ratting in a home system will die because you can't see all of local.
Should I do <thing> in <more expensive thing> - Are you going to pvp, or are you going to run away? If you're going to run away, do it in the cheaper thing. Especially since the cheaper thing is AS effective as more expensive thing.
What Battleship... - Marauder. It's the only battleship we use that is effective. And if you use it in standing fleet, it's dead on undock. Praxis if you're rolling wormholes. Bigger isn't better
But If I just inject... - Or just use that isk to have fun? Low isk options exist! Don't SP Inject
Okay, smart guy, tell me what I should do to make isk!
Finish the career agents. This teaches you the game.
Finish the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc. Also teaches you the game MORE.
Iterate. Do the small content. Get good at it. Then go for medium sized content. THEN go for big content.
PVP is the basis of the entire game. You cannot avoid PVP forever. And if you're in unsafe space, lean in, learn the content.
If you're doing exploration, stick to the script of the Exploration guide
The astero is 110 mil and overly expensive unless you are going to hunt other explorers.
The T3C is great at hunting but 450 mil is expensive to hunt in.
If you're doing ratting, stick to the ships your corporation advises, there's no fast and easy path
If there was a better answer, don't you think EVERYONE would be doing it? seriously. :D
If you are buying your way to success, stick to the HAC meta that everyone else is using, it's the best bang for buck. seriously.
If you go straight to a marauder, you're going to die. Bigger isn't better
The HAC build that most people use has like 3 buttons. A marauder has like 12 you need to press right. If you're struggling to do 3 buttons, why do you think more buttons is going to be better for you?
And if you're struggling doing the basics, you're going to die, and look back on it with 'I didn't listen'.
Abyssals is the hardest PVE content. The minor Abyssals is abbreviated but accurate at least.
There are a lot of bad fits out there. And more bad videos.
Test things on the test server first. Test server was removed, sorry just have to try.
Stick to the t0-t2 route suggested.
If you want to do Faction Warfare, start with cheap t1 frigates, and just make the LP. You might not even try to 1-v-1 because you'll just die. Just get paid for a bit.
Rely on CCP's game design of Assymetric warfare. Take advantage when you can, and run away when you don't have that advantage.
Get into faction frigates when you can afford it, and stop flying them when you can't afford to replace them.
High sec mining alone is shit money. Industry and hauling can be negative money. It's very easy to be tricked.
Null and wormhole mining with 3 characters can pay the same as 2 characters ratting. 5 characters mining is amazing money.
It is VERY hard to make any money in high sec because it's safe. And if it's safe, people AFK it. And there are way more people than just you that you are competing with, even if you don't see them.
Pay attention to the Golden Rules of eve. If you're ignoring them because whatever reason, the person is just trying to help you.
I'm sure there's more, someone help me here.
We are trying to help because we see people rage quit here. I'm not even kidding.
Stop being a dick
I'm trying to help you, dumbass, that's why we just argued for 10 minutes. :D I'm the one giving up my play time to help new players, you think I like telling people that CCP lied and implied you could pay for your accounts by mining in high sec for 10 minutes?